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Fire, Water and Repair-Heavy HousesBy Anthony Grynchal9 min read

Selling a House With Foundation Movement

Foundation movement can be repaired before a sale or priced as-is. The engineer's report decides which, and why financed buyers stall without one.

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You can sell a house with foundation movement in two ways: have a licensed engineer define the problem, repair it to that plan and list the house, or sell it as-is with the movement disclosed and priced by a buyer who pays without a loan. Either way, the engineer's report is what sets the price, because it tells a buyer whether the movement is old settlement or still active, what is causing it and what the repair actually is. Without one, financed buyers tend to stall at the lender's appraisal, and every number on the house is a guess.

This article is part of the fire, water and repair-heavy houses section. For the wider rebuild-or-sell decision after any kind of damage, start with rebuild first or sell now.

Cracks, settlement and movement are not the same thing

Most older houses have hairline cracks in stucco, drywall or a garage slab. What worries a buyer is movement: a foundation that has shifted enough to change how the house stands, and may still be shifting. On a walkthrough the signs tend to show up together:

  • doors and windows that stick or no longer latch, when they used to;
  • diagonal cracks running out from the corners of doors and windows;
  • floors that slope or bounce, or gaps opening where walls meet floors and ceilings;
  • cracks in the foundation itself that are wider at one end, or that step through block;
  • soil pulled away from the foundation, water pooling against it, or a downspout emptying at the wall.

Which signs matter depends on how the house was built. The older houses around Claremont Village, and in Pomona's Lincoln Park, Wilton Heights and Hacienda Park historic districts, mostly sit on raised foundations, so the questions are the perimeter footing, the posts and piers in the crawlspace and the floor framing over them. Hillside houses add slope and drainage: in the North Glendora foothills, drainage and slope stability became walkthrough items after the Colby Fire, and in Chino Hills many planned-community houses sit on graded hillside lots. How a given house was built is confirmed on the walkthrough, never assumed from its era. (City pages: Claremont, Pomona, Glendora, Chino Hills.)

The engineer's report is the document that sets the price

A foundation contractor's bid tells you what one company proposes to sell you. An engineer's report tells you, and every buyer after you, what is actually wrong. For movement that usually means a licensed civil engineer, sometimes with a geotechnical engineer when the cause may be in the soil. California's Board for Professional Engineers, Land Surveyors, and Geologists lists both license types, civil engineer (C) and geotechnical engineer (GE, also called a soil or soils engineer), and its license lookup shows whether a license is current.

A report that helps a sale answers five questions in writing:

  1. Is this historic settlement, or is the movement active?
  2. What is causing it: drainage, soil, a plumbing leak, a failed section of footing, or framing under a raised floor?
  3. What repair does the engineer recommend, if any, and will it need a permit?
  4. Can the cause be dealt with first, such as drainage or a leak, and the house monitored before structural work?
  5. What would a buyer's inspector and a lender need to see to close the question?

The contractors who bid the repair should be licensed. The Contractors State License Board lets you check a license's status online and recommends getting at least three written bids. Putting the engineer's scope next to those bids is how you test whether the foundation line on any offer is reasonable; how to read that line is in repair estimates vs. an offer's deductions.

Why financed buyers stall

A buyer with a loan brings a lender, and the lender orders a certified appraisal. Fannie Mae's Selling Guide, which sets the property rules for conventional loans sold to Fannie Mae, requires that appraisal to identify physical deficiencies that could affect a property's safety, soundness or structural integrity. When they exist, the appraisal is completed "subject to" the repairs, or subject to an inspection by a qualified professional when the appraiser is not qualified to judge them. A house rated C6, the rating for conditions severe enough to affect safety, soundness or structural integrity, is not eligible for sale to Fannie Mae until the work is done and the house rates at least C5.

In practice, a financed sale on a house with unresolved movement often reaches the appraisal and stops. The lender wants the repair finished before closing, the seller does not want to fund structural work for a buyer who may still walk, and the escrow drifts. A house with a documented engineered repair, the permit closed out and the engineer's letter in the file, usually does not stall at all. The same pattern for other condition items is in as-is and appraisals: when lenders balk.

Does homeowners insurance pay for foundation repair?

Often not for the movement itself. The California Department of Insurance lists earth movement, and wear and tear, among the perils a homeowners policy generally does not cover, and tells owners to read the exclusions in their own contract. Whether any part of your loss is covered is a question for your insurer, or a licensed public adjuster or attorney; this article does not advise on claims. When the movement traces back to a plumbing leak, the water side is covered in selling a house with a slab leak.

What you have to disclose

Known foundation movement, and any past repair, belongs on the Transfer Disclosure Statement. Civil Code section 1102 makes any waiver of the disclosure rules void, and section 1102.1 records the Legislature's intent that delivery of the statement may not be waived in an "as is" sale. Section 1102.1 also preserves the existing duty to disclose facts materially affecting the value and desirability of the property, including previously received reports of physical inspections, so an engineer's report you were given is part of what you know. How to describe movement, a repair or a report on the form is a question for a real estate attorney. The form is walked through in the Transfer Disclosure Statement for as-is sellers, and hillside houses in mapped hazard areas carry their own natural hazard disclosures.

Severe cases also change how the law sees the building. Health and Safety Code section 17920.3 lists deteriorated or inadequate foundations, and defective or deteriorated flooring or floor supports, among the structural hazards that make a building substandard when they endanger the occupants or the public.

Three ways to sell the same house

PathWhat you do firstWho can buyWhat sets the priceNet to you

Engineered repair, then list

Report, permit, repair, engineer's final letter

Financed and cash buyers

Sales of sound houses nearby

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List as-is with the report

Engineer's report only

Mostly cash buyers

Those sales, less what buyers expect the repair and risk to cost

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As-is cash offer

Nothing; the walkthrough sees the house as it is

The buyer on the offer

Repair, holding and resale costs and margin, line by line

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When repairing first and listing nets more

  • The engineer finds old settlement or one defined cause, such as drainage or a single failed section of footing, with a contained repair.
  • The rest of the house is in the condition financed buyers expect, so the foundation is the only thing between it and the full buyer pool.
  • You have the cash and the time to carry the house through the permit, the work and a listing.
  • The repair can be documented end to end: report, permit, licensed contractor's invoice, engineer's final letter.

When that is the case, the written recommendation says to repair and list, and you are introduced to a designated local expert, an independently licensed California agent who works your neighborhood.

When selling as-is makes more sense

Selling as-is usually wins when the engineer finds active movement with more than one cause, when hillside or soil work would cost more than the finished house would add, when the house also needs a roof, systems or a remodel so the foundation is one item among many, or when you are an heir, a trustee or an owner out of the area who cannot oversee a structural job. Both paths go on one sheet; the method is laid out in cash offer vs. listing.

Is a house with foundation problems worth less?

As-is, yes: by what a buyer expects the repair to cost, plus the risk that the cause is bigger than it looks, plus that buyer's margin. A good report shrinks the risk part, which is why getting one can move an as-is offer as well as a listing. An automated estimate cannot see a foundation at all, and a CMA usually assumes the house is sound. The open-market read on the repaired house is a preliminary estimate, not an appraisal.

What this looks like in practice

These are the kinds of files that come in, described without names or figures.

  • A Craftsman bungalow near Claremont Village with sloping floors, where the question turns out to be the posts and piers in the crawlspace rather than the perimeter footing.
  • A North Glendora foothill house with cracks at the door corners, runoff draining toward the foundation and no report yet.
  • An inherited house where a buyer's inspector flagged movement, the financed sale fell out at the appraisal, and the family wants both numbers before deciding whether to repair.

Getting both numbers

Bring the engineer's report if you have one. If you do not, the walkthrough notes what it can see and the offer says what it assumed. You get an as-is cash offer from independent buyers and investors, with the foundation valued on its own line, and an open-market read on the house repaired. When repairing and listing nets more, the written recommendation says so. Start on the fire, water and repair-heavy houses page or call (909) 498-3977. There is no cost and no obligation to get the two numbers and the written report.

Sources

Mr. Cali Offers is not an engineer, contractor, insurance adviser or law firm. Cash offers come from independent buyers and investors who buy for their own account and may resell for profit; a cash offer is generally below what the open market would bring. Any value shown is a preliminary estimate, not an appraisal. Nothing here is legal, tax or financial advice.

Frequently asked questions

Can you sell a house with foundation problems in California?

Yes. A house with foundation movement can be repaired to an engineer's plan and listed, or sold as-is with the movement disclosed and priced by a buyer who pays without a loan. Known movement and any past repair belong on the California Transfer Disclosure Statement, which cannot be waived in an as-is sale.

Do I need an engineer's report before selling a house with foundation movement?

It is not required to sell, but it usually sets the price. A report from a licensed civil or geotechnical engineer says whether the movement is old settlement or active, what is causing it and what repair is recommended. Without it, buyers price the worst case and lenders tend to stall.

Will a buyer get a loan on a house with foundation movement?

Often not until it is repaired. Under Fannie Mae's Selling Guide, the lender's appraisal must identify deficiencies affecting safety, soundness or structural integrity and is then completed subject to repairs, and a house rated C6 is not eligible until the work is done. A documented engineered repair usually removes that obstacle.

Does homeowners insurance cover foundation repair?

Often not for the movement itself. The California Department of Insurance lists earth movement and wear and tear among the perils a homeowners policy generally does not cover. Read your policy's exclusions and ask your insurer, or a licensed public adjuster or attorney, how it applies to your house.

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Anthony Grynchal

Anthony Grynchal is a California real estate salesperson with eXp Realty, licensed since November 2009 (CA DRE #01873626), and the owner of Mr. Cali Offers.

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